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question about the Narkomed GS machine
30.01.2007 at 19:54:07
 
Hi there!  I'd like to know if the Narkomed GS machine requires a low-pressure leak test with a bulb-suction device to the CGO.  I am getting mixed messages about whether or not this check is necessary for THIS machine.  Thanks for any help!
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Re: question about the Narkomed GS machine
Reply #1 - 01.02.2007 at 08:50:30
 
Hi:
 
We do not use the Narkomed GS at my institution and I am not familiar with it.  A search of the Drager web site did not seem to show an entry for the Narkomed GS; they had the Narkomed 6400.  
 
My guess would be that a low pressure leak test with a  suction bulb would work with any anesthesia machine (if the suction bulb can be connected to the common gas outlet - CGO- some CGOs are not accessible, others have the FGF hose permanently mounted to them).   Whether the suction bulb test is REQUIRED instead of a positive pressure test, I do not know.  
 
I have forwarded your request to a contact at Drager Medical and will let you know if I hear back from him.
 
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Re: question about the Narkomed GS machine
Reply #2 - 16.02.2007 at 09:39:14
 
Hi Lenore:  
 
Please see below a reply from Drager in response to an email I sent them about your query.  
 
But first, I'd like to clarify that a leak check of the low pressure sub-system of the anesthesia machine is required in all makes or models,  including the Narkomed GS.  What is being discussed here is whether the Narkomed low pressure sub-system MUST be tested with a suction bulb that generates a sub-ambient (negative) pressure.  The requirement for testing the low pressure sub-system with a suction bulb arises if there is a check valve (often referred to as a Common Gas Outlet check valve) between the fresh gas outlet and vaporizers.    Sem
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Hi Sem,
 
the Narkomed GS does not require the negative pressure leak test since there is no check valve between the fresh gas outlet and the vaporizers.
 
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Re: question about the Narkomed GS machine
Reply #3 - 22.03.2007 at 21:54:20
 
Thank you Robert.  When I look at the user manual for the Narkomed GS, it mentions using a positive pressure bulb sphygmomanometer attached to the breathing bag apparatus to check the low pressure system.  One should inflate to a pressure of 50, and watch the pressure drop.  A pressure drop to 30 in less than 30 seconds is a failure.  Dr. Olympio mentioned that his institution uses this device to check the Narkomed machines.  Can you help clarify?  
 
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Re: question about the Narkomed GS machine
Reply #4 - 23.03.2007 at 12:55:17
 
Hi Lenore:
 
I think I can clarify that one.  
 
First, I am assuming that your question is why is it that Robert Clark stated "the Narkomed GS does not REQUIRE the negative pressure leak test since there is no check valve between the fresh gas outlet and the vaporizers." while Dr. Olympio mentioned that his institution uses "this device" (assumed to mean a  positive pressure bulb sphygmomanometer) to check the Narkomed machines.    
 
If I am correct in re-stating the question, the key words here are positive pressure (meaning a pressure above atmospheric pressure) and negative pressure (sub-ambient pressure or below atmospheric pressure).  
 
The Narkomed GS low pressure leak check can be checked with EITHER a suction bulb (negative pressure bulb sphygmomanometer) OR a positive pressure bulb sphygmomanometer.  That is why Robert Clark stated that the Narkomed GS does not REQUIRE a suction bulb as either type of bulb (suction or positive pressure) can be used to check for a low pressure sub-system leak.  
 
In the case of the suction bulb, pressure increases in the deflated bulb, causing the bulb to reinflate within 10 seconds if there is a leak.  
 
In the case of the positive pressure bulb sphygmomanometer, pressure decreases if there is a leak.  
 
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